joi, 31 martie 2011

GRADESHNITA TABLETS

It seems that is repeating and over-repeating

the signs "leg"                                                                       From http://www.artyfactory.com/egyptian_art/egyptian_hieroglyphs/egyptian_hieroglyphs_A.htm                    "The B Hieroglyph http://www.artyfactory.com/egyptian_art/egyptian_hieroglyphs/images/hieroglyph_b.jpg

The foot and lower leg is used for the "b" sound"
Din http://reocities.com/proto-language/ProtoLanguage-Monosyllables.htm http://www.reocities.com/proto-language/SumerianSigns/SSHub2-88-146.jpg

"Here, we can point to Sumerian tu10 (for 10), 'be weighty, massive', which is written with Jaritz #141 (probably, with the same meaning: *tû11), which depicts a 'left lower leg up to the bent knee', inside which is written, as a phonetic determinative, Jaritz #684, which reads tu; this sign (Jaritz #141) is probably meant to symbolize 'stamping earth with the foot to compress and compact it'. "

Linear B syllable Mi http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Linear_B_Syllable_B073_MI.svg/40px-Linear_B_Syllable_B073_MI.svg.png

and http://www.aug.edu/~nprinsky/Humn2001/evolu-of-b.GIF
B(eth):"house"
This house sign seems to appear also in this tablet also from Gradeshnita, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Vratsa-history-museum-Gradeshnitsa-tablet-back.jpg/150px-Vratsa-history-museum-Gradeshnitsa-tablet-back.jpg
Maybe coul have the sign of fertility (the point=seed) into the house (home, family).
Note that we have NO garden, plant or cultivated field wich was reprezentet in neolithic as a grid.
                                                                                                                                                                           

From http://reocities.com/proto-language/ProtoLanguage-Monosyllables.htm A second sign for FA with the meaning 'leaf/grass' is seen in Jaritz #593, u2 (for 2; but also unknown dialectal *ü for FE). It depicts a 'section of grass/thatch'; and means, in addition to 'leaf/grass': 'food, pasture, plant(s), herb, (flat) bread, loaf (derived from [flat] bread) http://reocities.com/proto-language/SumerianSigns/SSKush3-318-593.jpg
Semnul "frunză, iarbă, pajişte, plante, pâine"
The sign II Notes to the Hieroglyphic Signs http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/Hiero/SignNotes.html 066  = ? The sign occurs four times only (its reading on the seal #204 is doubtful); it probably is a divider.
THE SIGNS ON THE FACE OF GRADESHNITSA TABLET SHOW SIMILARITIES WITH LETTERS OF PROTO-SINAITIC/PROTO-CANAANITE ALPHABETS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gradeshnitsa_tablets
It seems that the writer used many times a sign like proto-sinaitic http://www.ancientscripts.com/images/protosinaitic.gif/proto-canaanite http://www.crystalinks.com/canaanitealph.gif sign of letter beth. Or if you want, egyptian heth http://www.seansgallery.com/images/egyptian_1c.gif (like in heth-Hor=Hathor). Possible the writer wanted to express the notion of shelter/house.Also we can see there signs simylar to proto-sinaitic gimmel.We can have also some proto-sinaitic lamedh and zayin and/or heth (the latter Z and H are those paralel lines).Note that is possible that the writer wanted to evidence or underline the beth signs with double line/contour. So the writer possible wanted to express GEB: "earth"/"egyptian earth-God Geb or Seb"/"pit,trench" or even GeB-aL wich is the same town with BaB-eL:"God-gate" = greek ByBLos. On the reverse side of the tablet, possible we have something related to a fertility ritual (of the field/house/shelter).From neolithic time, the purpose of the dots inside a geometric figure was like sowing with seeds, so fertilityRau Eugen 19:09 1December 2012(UTC)

TĂBLIŢA PUR PICTOGRAFICĂ DE LA TĂRTĂRIA

Mă refer la această tăbliţă,
Am ales intenţionat această reproducere şi nu o fotografie originală, pentru că reflectă în foarte bună măsură originalul (mai puţin coarnele animalului din dreapta). Nu se pune nici o secundă problema de a fi altceva decât o tăbliţă care foloseşte un limbaj pictografic.
Dacă majoritatea privitorilor sânt de acoord că a 2-a imagine (de la stg. la dr.) reprezintă un motiv vegetal, poate mai precis un lăstar, iar a 3-a un animal, capră, mai dificil este cu prima. Spre exemplu unii sugerează un animal ridicat în două picioare.
Părerea mea, chiar dacă va produce varii reacţii este aceea că am putea avea pentru prima imagine,
- o reprezentare antropomorfă (parte om, parte animal, sau şi una şi alta), mai precis ar putea fi vorba de o asemenea zeitate, "demon,daimon"? .
Altfel, dacă ar fi să citesc sa "traduc" plăcuţa, echivalentele verbale ale celor trei pictograme, ar putea fi ceva de genul:
                                      " ZOU .... SE ....  zoa/EDU ",    unde:
ZOU este numele lui Zeus, şi sub această formă vedem că este apropiat de Zoa:"viaţă " sau ex. Zan,Zone < > zoon
SE, este rădăcina IE pentru samânţa.
La sumerieni un asemenea semn este  še (she),

  iar sub o formă iar apropiată este prezent şi la egipteni.

gr. EDU :"dulce", lat.HEDUS:"plăcut", stau la originea românescului "ied".
Pentru detalii legate de aspectul vizual, vă prezint tableta în original:


Notă. În mod extrem de curios pe tăbliţa rotundă, în jumătatea superioară se pare că avem în stânga,

 HD : "edu/ hedu" Iar în dreapta,


secvenţa  +++++  ar putea fi : "Se? Ze,Za,Zu"?
                                        D D o o/u
Deci:  HeDuSe + SEOU / ZEOU / DDiOU,DDeOU
<<  Ied,  Sămânţă,(cereale),   Zeu  >>

ALPHABETS ORIGIN (AND COMPARED)

http://www.aug.edu/~nprinsky/Humn2001/CHAU-GP-NQ-htm.htm

http://api.ning.com/files/15pbGCBw7iNoR0uMMGEeySTFz64vxvMgVbBCdwqetTBX7O2PVOiQimHYaVaKfjlWxRciTYndAqGuKlkpztplrAmbsjC-D3NO/Evol_Eng_Alpha_JEM_12_800x1046.jpg

sâmbătă, 26 martie 2011

NOSTRATIC

http://v-stetsyuk.name/files/VStecuk/Mapy/CaucasusBestV.gif
I am no sure that the autor proposal for initial position of nostratic branches are corect. But in fact doesnt matter too much as long they are close to each-other.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.armenianhighland.com/images/nkarner/nkar_4584.jpg&imgrefurl=http://amedeoamendola.xanga.com/547121078/58-oldest-caucasian-civilization/&usg=__6NmyLW_bM6OIdunbx5vUzBiL_ck=&h=268&w=415&sz=60&hl=en&start=2&sig2=_A7xa4LS6W6MCOP8iqMl6Q&zoom=1&tbnid=BNOWGc-2TEIQPM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=125&ei=OF6OTaLgFc_Rsgbz45CGCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnostratic%2Bspreading%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D641%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

INDO-EUROPEAN ORIGIN

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/07/7/3/7/8437672343906657.png

http://www.armenianhighland.com/images/nkarner/nkar_4584.jpg

THE SPREAD OF THE NEOLITHIC REVOLUTION AND CIVILIZATION FROM THE HEART [GLOWING RED] ARMENIAN HIGHLAND-ARATTA-ARARAT-DILMUN-EDEN. THE DIFFUSION TOOK PLACE INITIALLY TO THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING AREAS. GREEN BOUNDARY MARKING THE SPREAD OF THE NEOLITHIC REVOLUTION
THROUGHOUT THE LEVANT, THE RED BOUNDARY MARKS THE SPREAD
OF SETTLED SOCIETIES AND CIVILIZATION THROUGHOUT CENTRAL
ANATOLIA. THE MOTHER NOSTRATIC LANGUAGE GAVE BIRTH TO THE 
PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN MOTHER LANGUAGE
http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/indo_european_migation.jpg


http://amedeoamendola.xanga.com/547121078/58-oldest-caucasian-civilization/ Amedeo's, # 40 
The area of the white Neolitic civilization comprises Europe and "Parvasia", namely the Middle East, without Arabia, prior to about 3000 B.C. This total territory was the land of the Caucasians, with the Caucasus at its symbolic center. The particular area of most intensive early developement included the strip of land that goes from Sumer or southern Mesopotamia, through Armenia, to the first Thracia (in contemporary Bulgaria or north of the Aegean).
This threepartite territory included Sumerian by the Tigris, protoGreek west of the Euphrates, and possibly another distinct languageWe all know about the various views on "proto-indo-european" (which is not an attested language), but I have reasons to believe that south of the Caucasus, there developed languages which served as bases for the so-called indo-European languages. I will not elaborate; I will say only that Sumerian and proto-Greek are such basic languages. (Most of the vocabularies of the I.E. languages developed autonomously, wherefore, most of the vocabularies of the Slavic languages, the Germanic languages, and the Greek-Latin-Etc. languages are radically unrelated. It is a FICTION that all of their vocabularies can be traced back to one original language

"analysis of a matrix of 87 languages with 2,449 lexical items produced an estimated age range for the initial Indo-European divergence of between 7,800 and 9,800 years BP.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/images/nkarner/nkar_1493.jpg
                                              A R M E N I A N  H I G H L A N D.  I N D O - E U R O P E A N  H O M E L A N D.



http://thesga.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Corum_Jonathan_Old_Europe_map_NYT.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/HaploJ2.png/350px-HaploJ2.png

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope/History/balkans-map/Early-neolithic.gif

http://c0499862.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/Cardial_map-464879.png
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/33/11597/F1.large.jpg

joi, 17 martie 2011

Aegeus, Linear B (a3 – ke – u).

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegeus In Greek mythologyAegeus (GreekΑἰγεύς), also AigeusAegeas or Aigeas(Αιγέας), was an archaic figure in the founding myth of Athens. The "goat-man" who gave his name to the Aegean Sea was, next to Poseidon, the father of Theseus, the founder of Athenian institutions and one of the kings of Athens.Din http://www.aegeussociety.org/en/index.php/home/

Name and emblem

The name ‘Aegeus’ appears in Linear B script and more specifically in the famous tripod tablet, which was used to confirm the decipherment of the script by Michael Ventris. The Society emblembears the three relevant characters of Linear B (a3 – ke – u). http://www.aegeussociety.org/images/uploads/jpeg-diafora-aegeus/Aegeus-emblems-Panagop.jpg

Symbol AB45 – acrophonic abbreviations and a Minoan pun?

http://minoan.deaditerranean.com/2010/10/30/symbol-ab45-acrophonic-abbreviations-and-a-minoan-pun/ the cross-legged variant
@ Hagia Triada (HT9, HT13, HT31, HT86, HT94, HT95) and Kophinas (KOZf2) http://minoan.deaditerranean.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/KE-variant2.jpg

Sign on Tartaria tablet (on the left) E-Ge-O ? 

Din http://www.answers.com/topic/linear-b http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B045_DE.svg   sign "de"
*45
The r-series includes both the /r/ and /l/ phonemes: ti-ri-po for tripos (τρίπος)

vineri, 4 martie 2011

TĂBLIŢA PUR PICTOGRAFICĂ DE LA TĂRTĂRIA

Mă refer la această tăbliţă,
Am ales intenţionat această reproducere şi nu o fotografie originală, pentru că reflectă în foarte bună măsură (mai puţin coarnele).Nu se pune nici o secundă problema de a fi altceva decât că este o tăbliţă care foloseşte un limbaj pictografic.
Dacă majoritatea privitorilor sânt de acoord că a 2-a imagine reprezintă un motiv vegetal, poate mai precis un lăstar, iar a 3-a un animal,capră,mai dificil este cu prima. Spre exemplu unii sugerează un animal ridicat în două picioare.
Părerea mea, chiar dacă va produce varii reacţii este aceea că avem,
- o reprezentare antropomorfă (parte om, parte animal, sau şi una şi alta), mai precis ar putea fi vorba de o asemenea zeitate.
Altfel, dacă ar fi să citesc sa "traduc" plăcuţa, echivalentul verbal ar putea fi ceva de genul:
" ZOU - SE -  zoa/EDU ", unde
ZOU este numele lui Zeus, şi sub această formă vedemcă este aprpiat de Zoa:"viaţă " sau ex. Zan,Zone<>zoon
SE, este rădăcina IE pentru sadire,samânţa.La sumerieni unasemenea semn este SHE, iar sub o formă iar apropiată este prezent şi la egipteni.
gr.EDU :"dulce", lat.HEDUS:"plăcut", stau la originea românescului "ied".
Pentru detalii legate de aspectul vizual,

TARTARIA - LYCIAN TABLET ?

Vom delimita următoarele arii (vezi referinţă orificiul),
     1   DDD   v  v     6                                                                                                                                                         ............         . o
      2    3     4    5     7
Despre limbile şi scrierile liciene şi cariene se cunoaşte foarte puţin, în special cele cariene, pentru care spre ex. nu se cunoaşte cu siguranţă semnificaţia unor semne.Citirea lor nu este accesibilă decât specialiştilor.
Cu toate acestea, îndrăznesc să spun că pare a fi o scriere anatoliană.Exemple de încercări de citire.        Dacă a fost folosită scrierea liciană, în tabelul următor avem semnele:

Vom avea,
1.EE      DDD?
2.G   3. KhKh   4.EE (AE?)  5.Mi  6.P,S,I,Kh  7.Kh-Kh,D-Kh?
Citire:
DDD? v-v? 1-2:EE-G 1-3:EEKh  4-5: EE-Mi   6.P-SI-Kh?                                D-Kh?
DDD? v-v?.....eeg,eek=EGO...      eemi=EIMI... PSiKh(e),PSiKh-Kh(o);PSiKh DKh
ego eimi psihe dak  "eu sânt suflet dac".....sau "eu sânt suflet fac"
Am mai găsit următoarele alfabete cariene, de care nu m-am folosit,


Folosind alfabetul carian: DDD? v- v?
1.Se 2.Ro 3.Va 4. Se? 5.Mi 6.PPYa 7. Vo?
1.2.Se-Ro 1.3.Se Ro-Va  4.Se  5.Mi  6.PP-Ya (EBB?) 7.Vo?
       sero...                       se rova         se mi          ppya/piya (Vo?)        
apăr,înconjur-înseriat/colier este scris este (al) meu     dau (?)
"eu dau al meu colier scris"
lic.pije:"a da",hit.pija:"a da" lic. si:"acesta,el"          (dak > lat. "fac")

miercuri, 2 martie 2011

INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES

Proto-Semitic as a second language Glen Gordon

http://paleoglot.blogspot.com/2008/03/proto-semitic-as-second-language.html 
I will start with the claim that Proto-Semitic originated from the Syria-Palestine area[1], rather than from Southern Arabia as has been so often claimed. Then, considering the well-known fact that Neolithic innovations originated from Western Asia and only later spread into Europe, I'm going to suggest that Proto-Semitic speakers were not only people with agricultural know-how, but that their language became a vibrant trading language well beyond their immediate area. What I'm suggesting is that multilingualism was not only common during the Neolithic but even vital for communities and their material well-being. I don't know why I didn't clue in before, but if Proto-Semitic speakers were ahead of everyone in terms of technology, naturally their language too might become a hot commodity. And if knowing that language was in demand for trade, then it follows that there were large areas surrounding the immediate Proto-Semitic language area where people would have adopted Proto-Semitic as a second language!                                                                                                                                    Think about it now. Around 5500 BCE, speakers of "Mid Indo-European" (MIE), ancestral to later Proto-Indo-European (PIE), might have been situated further into the Balkans to take advantage of goods coming in from the south, perhaps along the coastline, and these people would have been at least semi-fluent in Proto-Semitic in order to communicate with the incoming traders. (I mean, how else could they likely communicate with each other other than becoming bilingual?) The Syria-Palestine area was afterall a center for agriculture and we know that there are words in Proto-Semitic relating to agriculture as the American Heritage Dictionary explains in detail: "There are many Proto-Semitic terms referring to agriculture, which was a significant source of livelihood.



The Proto-Indo-Europeans and Their Early Descendants: Proto-Languages and Homelands

A very ancient branch of IE also split off around this time. Known as Balkan or Paleo-Balkan, it may also have split off 6000 YBP. There were two major branches, Thracian and Illyro-Venetic. Thracian is extinct, and all that remains of Illyro-Venetic is Albanian, a very ancient IE tongue that is only distantly related to the rest of IE. Proto-Illyrian and Thracian split around 4200 YBP.
At this time, it is thought that the people who later became Celts, Italics, Greeks and Albanians were the Illyrian peoples. They were driven out of northern Germany by pre-Germanic tribes 3800 YBP. So Celts, Italics, Greeks and Albanians all seem to share common genetic roots.
This is the probable base from which the Romans emerged – a Celto-Greco-Italo-Albanian people. Here is a map of the Illyrian tribes before the Roman conquest. It is from this milieu that the Albanians emerged. The Albanian language is quite strange within IE and seems to have very ancient roots dating back to Proto-Paleo-Balkan from 6000 YBP.
Another very early split you can see in the chart is something called Indo-Irano-Armeno-Hellenic. The Armeno-Hellenic branch probably split off 6000 YBP. The fact that Armenians and Greeks today still possibly retain a PIE appearance is also suggested by this early split. Only the Greek languages and Armenian remain of this family, as most of the family is extinct.
Proto-Hellenic may have split off around 5000 YBP, and Proto-Armenian may have split around 4500 YBP. The proto-Hellenics seem to have been related to the Indo-Iranians. This may be why a number of North Indians look like Greeks, Turks or Armenians.
Armenian and Hellenic are also strange IE branches that are only distantly related to the rest of IE.
The Italo-Celtic branch broke off as early as 5000 YBP.  Proto-Celtic split about 2800 YBP; the homeland is in Northern Austria. The Hallstatt Culture is associated with them. The Proto-Italics are dated to around 3500 YBP in Italy. Before that, the Italo-Celtic Homeland is thought to have been in southern and central Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia.

SUMERIAN SIGNS ON SQUARRED TABLET (with hole)

Tablet


Ab
she
Amar
FROM OTHER PLACES:
Jiroft