It seems that on upper half of so much discussed Tartaria round tablet, we have
1-on left quadrant signs or letters
H
eta-
Rho
2-on right side the signs
DDoo
Now the reading could be:
1.
H.
Ro,
H.
Ru
2. H
r.r.o, h
rro, h
rou, h
ru
Otherwise the letters Heta-Rho were found on ancient archaic greek potsherds and scientists are supposing that it ment HeRa/or HeRo(s)/ HeRa(kles)
Yours, ing. Eugen Rau Str. Motilor Nr. 3 Timisoara ROMANIA
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eugenrau@gmail.com
P.S. My preffered reading HeRa SuRRou (+++++ =Su) phoenician lady/ lady of/from Syrros...or Syrian ??
From The Reality of the Title Assyrian
www.atour.com/.../20030123a.ht...23 Jan 2003 << The Arabs borrowed their terms “Ashur/Ashuri” or “Assyria/Assyrian” from the Jews; their Suryan “Syrian” is a loanword from Greek “Surios.>> ”From Horus and time http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/21/004.html A dialog on comparative philology from the ANE list November 1997Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:47:07 -0600 (CST) From:
berlant@ptd.net Subject: Re: ane Horus and Time At 04:13 PM 11/8/1997 -0500, Geoff Graham wrote: Hello, Mr. Hubey, You asked: Does the Egyptian God Horus have anything to do with time passing, the sun rising, etc etc.
Yes, he certainly did. He was a solar and sky god. He had many forms among which were Harakhthes (Hrw-3x.t.y) "Horus of the Horizons" and Harmakhis (Hrw-m-3x.t) "Horus Residing in the Horizon". Both of these are manifestations of him as the sun-god passing from one world to the next on a daily basis. Very often he was also syncretized with Re as Re-Harakhthes. He was cyclical as a sun god, and also cyclical as the incarnation of kingship, since each king who died became Osiris, and each new king to succede became Horus as Harendotes (Hrw-nD-jt=f) "Horus Avenger of His Father". I quietly observed the position Mr Hubey recently took in sci.lang (assuming it is the same Mr.Hubey) against the tendency of philologists who adhere to the Indo-European [IE] theory and the comparative method to explain away as coincidence any and all evidence that would tend to refute their theory and method. I was, thus, wondering if Mr. Hubey's question can be taken as an indication he suspects that the relationship between time and the sun 's movement that prehistoric Egyptian wordsmiths personified in the name of their solar deity [Hrw] should not logically be considered the ancestor of the same relationship that inheres in the ancient Greek words for (1) "season" [hora] and (2) the limit of a circle [horos] that yielded [horizon], in light of the fact that these Greek words were also clearly derived from a prehistoric consonantal root [HR]. But in either case, when the aforementioned relationships are taken together with ancient Greek reports and other evidence that a great deal of the Greek lexicon was imported from Egypt by Egyptians, Phoenicians fluent in Egyptian, and/or by the ancient Greeks themselves, (e.g., Bernal, Black Athena), there does seem to be more than adequate grounds for believing that prehistoric Greek wordsmiths probably did derive the aforementioned words by demythologizing and secularizing [Hrw] in the process of extracting a prototypal form of Greek natural philosophy from an older Egyptian mytho-poetic one. Accordingly, the process that transformed [Hrw] into [hora] is viewable as the same one that transformed, for example, the name [Okeanos] of the Greek god of the celestial waters into English "ocean" while allowing "Okeanos" to go on its merry way as such in Greek mythology. Of course, the preceding analysis differs with the prevailing opinion of Indo-Europeanists who have attributed Greek [hora] to a hypothetical PIE root [YER] and Greek [horos] to no root. However, in the absence of empirical proof that these Greek words were derived in one way rather than the other, that way must be inferred by using the principles of deductive reasoning to unite the available evidence.One of the most powerful, time tested, and generally accepted of those principles is the Parsimony Principle, otherwise known as Occam's Razor, which holds essentially that when two or more theories can explain an effect, the theory that does so using the fewest hypothetical terms should be accepted unless it can be conclusively disproved. I was, thus, wondering what should prevent an objective observer from logically hypothesizing that the aforementioned Greek words are, in all likelihood, derivatives of a known Egyptian root [Hrw], rather than of two hypothetical Proto-Indo-European roots, given especially: (1) The evidence that Egyptians and/or Egyptian-speaking Phoenicians were prehistorically in contact with the aboriginal peoples of what we now call Greece (Ibid.);
(2) The evidence that ancient Egyptians and Greeks both used strictly consonantal scripts, the latter being derived from the Sinaitic script used by the Phoenicians;
(3) The related evidence that much of the Greek lexicon was derived from an Egyptian one (Ibid.);
(4) The evidence presented above that inherent in Egyptian [Hrw] were the meanings of Greek [hora], [horas] and [horizon]; and (5) The Greeks' own reports that their earliest natural philosophers and mathematicians studied in Egypt.
Imho, an Egyptian etymology for the aforementioned Greek words certainly seems logically far sounder than a far less parsimonious one wherein Greek [hora] and [horos] were derived from two different, hypothetical PIE roots, consonantally identical to each other and Egyptian [Hrw] only by "coincidence". In fact, if the possibility that [hora] and [horos] were derived from Egyptian [Hrw] can be accepted, even tentatively, there are then even firmer grounds for hypothesizing that a great deal more of the Greek lexicon was derived when ancient Greek wordsmiths de-personified and secularized the names of other Egyptian deities. For example, [mathematics] can be resolved into the transliterated names (1) [Mat] of the Egyptian goddess of measures, plus (2) [Thema] of the god who lent his name to the Egyptian word "themes" for "writings", some types of which the Greeks called "themas." In such a case, the aorist Greek stem [math-] would have originally meant "measures"; [mathematikos] would have originally meant "writings on measures"; and, the Greek verb to learn [manthanein], which is usually considered the source of [mathematikos], would have originally been either (1) a nasalized derivative of mat(h) or (2) a verb formed from [mn} under the influence of [mat(h)]. I would be more than willing to abandon any or all of the above positions if I can be shown the error of my ways. I should, however, note that the presence of probable cognates of these Greek words in other branches of the Indo-European tree is not grounds for such an abandonment, since theories as to when, how, and where those cognates came into those branches rest on the Greek etymologies and are even more hypothetical than those etymologies. In contrast, if the Egyptian origins of portions of the Greek lexicon can be established, cognates of Greek words in other Indo-European lexicons would have to be considered derivatives of the Mycenaen Greek which was, of course, recorded in a Cretan script of hieroglyphics, many of which, it has already been pointed out, strikingly resemble Egyptian hieroglyphs. In such a case, a great deal of the LEXICONS of now so-called Indo-European languages would have to be renamed Egypto-Indo-European and, eventually, Semito-Egypto-Indo-European. But, in the prevailing paradigm, I guess that would be even more unthinkable than the possibility that just Greek was derived from Egyptian?? Regards,Stephen R. Berlant
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Re: horus demon counterpart
http://www.evocationmagic.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4513 by raum215 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:02 pm Horus has a LONG history in the Semetic peoples, but not all of them are the same. The name Horus is GIANT and not connected to Flauros until the general decay of goetic understanding.
Horus is much older than egypt or their stories of him.
Horus likely begins as a proto-Indo-European deity as he matches their dieties. Horus is not his original name, it the Latin of his name - Hoor (and Heru) is his name, the Indo-European cognate H-r means God (h'uer). Ptr is father. Hroptr (h'ru-ptor) is an ancient name for the diety that has a lot of names including Odin but well before the Norse. In the Havamal, he is mentioned by name. Horus can not be taken lightly by any pre-Judean or Indo-European magician in general. He is connected to the ancient notions of deity.
Hoor is the father - for he is Ra father of Nu, Shu, and Geb incarnate. All of these
Hoor, Hroptr (odin) and Jupiter demanded sacrifices of horseflesh and are connected strongly to corresponding bull myths and some of the oldest forms of self-sacrifice and ressurection cults. They are all also connected to the Eye as a talisman.
Hroptr. This hecomes Hru Pater, and then IO Pater which is actually already sounding alot like Jupiter. By the time the Persians immediately surrender and the great Alexander bloodlessly conquers Thebes, he is already huge in Cadmus's land.
He was adopted by pre-dynastic Egypt, not native to it, and he is older than even the first dynasty. Both he and "Set" are very older. He has at times and in ways been connected to Mars, Sol, and Jupiter and even all at the same time.
In my own work, I practice Thelemic magic, and every aspect of Horus is different.
He has at one time been been included in ALOT of religions, including Essianic and Coptic Christianity. He is older than the landbridge of the ancient americas, and in my opinion is not sutiable for a demon counterpart, for he is a
Hroptr, an "
all Father" and i was instructed to connect him to the enochian name Zilodarp, which means "God of stretch forth and conquer". His name is his creed, and his command to his people. As
horus is a living deity who is the oldest worshipped deity we know on the planet with consistent worship, there is no cause to demonize him.
Enochian call 16:
O thow second flame, the howse of Iustice, which hast thy begynning in glory and shalt cumfort the iust: which walkest on the eart[h] with feete 8763 that vnderstand and separate creatures: great art thow in the God of Stretch Furth and Conquere. Moue and shew yor selues: open the Mysteries of yor Creation: be frendely vnto me: for I am the servant of the same your God, the true wurshipper of the Highest.
African Origins of the Word God - Asar Imhotep http://www.asarimhotep.com/documentdownloads/AfricanOriginsoftheWordGod.pdf In
Ancient Egyptian this term became
Hrw ―sky, sun, God.
cybalist : Message: Re: [tied] Arya-http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/6693 Bomhard, in THE NOSTRATIC MACROFAMILY, lists a proto-Nostratic root *har-/* her- "to be superior, to be higher in status or rank, to be above or over"
... "A. Proto-Indo-European *hher-yo- [*hhar-yo-] 'a superior, a person higher in status or rank':Sanskrit arya-h 'a respectable or honorable person' , arya-h 'master,lord'; Old Irish aire 'nobleman, man of rank..." B. Proto-Afroasiatic *har-/*her- 'to be superior, to be higher in status or rank, to be above or over': Proto-Semitic *har-/*hur-
'noble, freeborn'....Hebrew hor 'noble'; Arabic hurr 'noble, free-born'; Ugaritic hrr 'free'; Sabaean hrr 'freeman, free-born men'; Geez/Ethiopic harawi 'free-born, nobleman', harawanna 'freedom', harannat 'freedom; Egyptian hry 'chief,
master, overseer, superior, hr 'on, upon, over, hrw 'upper part, top..."
